http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/07/05/family-first/ <![CDATA[Comments on: Family First]]> Jonathan WordPress 2007-07-05T20:11:47Z http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/07/05/family-first/comment-page-1/#comment-784 2007-07-05T20:11:47Z <![CDATA[Comment by: Stephen Merino]]> http://www.reasonandreverence.blogspot.com I have mixed feelings about the church’s emphasis, too. On one hand, the world could use a dose of family lovin’ right about now. The church is known for it’s emphasis on family and I think it’s known in a good way for it.

However, I think there is a darker side to it, as well. I fear that the church’s image of a family is too narrow and too exclusive. I believe that there is more than one way to have a good family, but the church doesn’t seem to think so. It seems to have that ideal family as the goal for every single member, even if it doesn’t work for everyone or it’s not attainable. I think this causes a lot of hurt for those that can’t have that family.

I believe that same-sex couples can make loving, caring, responsible parents. I see absolutely no reason why that cannot be a successful, loving family.

I think my church membership really helped me to see my family as the most important thing in my life and to cherish it and take care of it. But, I also experienced a lot of guilt for not having FHE weekly, for yelling occasionally, for not always being worthy to give blessings, etc. Basically, for being human. I think I’m a pretty darn good dad. I know I can be a lot better, but I’m pretty good, even if I don’t quite fit that Mormon ideal anymore.

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http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/07/05/family-first/comment-page-1/#comment-785 2007-07-05T20:56:40Z <![CDATA[Comment by: His Hot Wife]]> http://isitnaptime.blakeclan.org/ Jon left out how I was sobbing as the Stake President asked him to fulfill this calling. I knew the answer would basically be no and I felt horrible hearing him say it. But I knew the previous Elder’s Quorum President’s wife and I knew how hard he worked and that Jon was not liked that.

I remember having a conversation with the wife of the president they chose after Jon. The family had only recently moved in the ward, as in they had been there about two weeks, and the comment was how no one wanted to accept the calling as Elder’s Quorum President. They too were a very motivated family to do what the church asked of them. He was also a very good president.

I think Jon would have made a fine president, but it would have been very hard on us and we were both unsure whether the blessings would outweigh the sacrifices, not that it should matter as a latter-day saint, but it did.
We also went through a lot of under employment at this time, so we had many stresses on us at this point of our lives.

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http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/07/05/family-first/comment-page-1/#comment-790 2007-07-06T10:44:44Z <![CDATA[Comment by: Jonathan Blake]]> http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/ Stephen,

Somehow the LDS church went from experimenting with other forms of marriage (i.e. polygyny and polyandry) to idealizing the nuclear family of the fifties. I would be interesting to learn the exact causes, but it seems to me like David O. McKay has cast a long shadow on the LDS idea of family.

We discussed how central the idea of marriage between a man and a woman is to LDS doctrine. There has been a dramatic shift from polygamy to monogamy. D&C 132 was understood to refer exclusively to polygamy for much of early church history. The current application of the New and Everlasting Covenant to monogamous marriage represents historical revisionism. The New and Everlasting Covenant meant polygyny.

A change as dramatic as coming to accept same-sex couples would be surprising but not unprecedented.

For the time being, I agree, the LDS church struggles to serve people who don’t live in its idealized family: singles, divorcés, homosexuals, polygamists, etc.

My Hot Wife,

I don’t remember intending to turn the Stake President down. I saw it more like telling him our situation and letting him decide what to do. Perhaps his response wasn’t as unexpected as I remember it, just the shock of actually receiving that response. Memory is tricky.

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http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/07/05/family-first/comment-page-1/#comment-840 2007-07-12T20:17:00Z <![CDATA[Comment by: mel]]> http://aesahaettr.org/ Jonathan, I’m sorry but I almost laughed out loud when I read how you were dismissed … it was so contrary to what I was expecting. There was this time when I learned from my father that many people in the ward I grew up in would refuse callings or insist on specifying what they were willing to do, this being starkly contrary to what I had always believed about the good saints.

So when you expressed you concerns I was so expecting the assuaging and comforting and problem-solving approach of a man who knew damn well the realities of human ways. Instead you got the treatment I’ve so often experienced at the end of a job interview for which I was clearly not the best choice.

I’m sorry but that savant of the lord seems to have been in full-on corporate mode. Sad.

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http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/07/05/family-first/comment-page-1/#comment-850 2007-07-13T08:24:55Z <![CDATA[Comment by: Jonathan Blake]]> http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/ He did always seem on the corporate side. His actions shocked me then, but I now think he did the right thing. The man who filled the calling was probably much better than I would have been and better situated for the job. It’s no wonder that most Bishops, Stake Presidents, etc. are comfortable financially: who else could afford to spend all that volunteer time? Perhaps a lay ministry tends to create a plutocracy.

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