Comments on: Young Lovers http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/ One Mormon boy’s iconoclastic quest to remix and rectify his notions of truth, mind, myth, love, life, and transcendence. Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:33:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: mel http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6813 mel Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:42:03 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6813 Again, I think this comes down to whether we think parents and siblings would start copulating should the social stigmas go away. In general I think not. There are always going to be edge cases but we need not be concerned as nature will regulate against such cases by the compounding of disabling gene complexes -- they'll either die before reaching sexual maturity or be otherwise too freakish to much succeed. Again, I think this comes down to whether we think parents and siblings would start copulating should the social stigmas go away. In general I think not. There are always going to be edge cases but we need not be concerned as nature will regulate against such cases by the compounding of disabling gene complexes — they’ll either die before reaching sexual maturity or be otherwise too freakish to much succeed.

]]> By: Jonathan Blake http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6812 Jonathan Blake Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:34:58 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6812 Kullervo, I think like you do on this it seems. The less attention I pay to my squeamishness, the more this appears to be a cultural taboo which may be applied too broadly. That is the details of individual cases are important. Seth, It gives new meaning to "sister wife" eh? :) Kullervo,

I think like you do on this it seems. The less attention I pay to my squeamishness, the more this appears to be a cultural taboo which may be applied too broadly. That is the details of individual cases are important.

Seth,

It gives new meaning to “sister wife” eh? :)

]]> By: Seth R. http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6811 Seth R. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:29:28 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6811 Well, Mormons believe we're all related anyway, right?... Well, Mormons believe we’re all related anyway, right?…

]]> By: Kullervo http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6810 Kullervo Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:11:42 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6810 Well, getting past the squick factor which is pretty much purely a function of our cultural norms, the only real concerns are genetic disorders, possible psychological ramifications, and coercive power relationships. The genetic stuff is a questionable objection. The psych stuff is out of my personal knowledge, but I would imagine it';s highly tied to the olevel of cultural taboo. And it's not like we forbid everyone esle's incredibly dysfunctional relationships. The power/coercion/abuse dynamic is the only one left, and it would pretty much depend on the individual facts. Well, getting past the squick factor which is pretty much purely a function of our cultural norms, the only real concerns are genetic disorders, possible psychological ramifications, and coercive power relationships.

The genetic stuff is a questionable objection. The psych stuff is out of my personal knowledge, but I would imagine it’;s highly tied to the olevel of cultural taboo. And it’s not like we forbid everyone esle’s incredibly dysfunctional relationships.

The power/coercion/abuse dynamic is the only one left, and it would pretty much depend on the individual facts.

]]> By: Jonathan Blake http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6808 Jonathan Blake Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:54:17 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6808 I wonder how we would feel about it if this were a mother and son or a father and daughter couple. I wonder how we would feel about it if this were a mother and son or a father and daughter couple.

]]> By: Kullervo http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6804 Kullervo Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:10:31 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6804 Plenty of other people who are at risk for genetic disorders are allowed to reproduce. Plenty of other people who are at risk for genetic disorders are allowed to reproduce.

]]> By: mel http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6803 mel Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:32:38 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6803 Dawkins address this subject a bit tangentally in The Selfish Gene. The diff on half-siblings vs full-siblings is quite large from a genetic perspective. So there's room for a few mistakes here. But I think your key question is this: <em>"Do we treat them as perpetrators of a disgusting crime ...?"</em> No. This and the homosexual question that Seth raised are totally managed on a biological level by nature itself. Our sense of revulsion may be part of that nature but I think we can make temper such feelings with our sense about the rights of consenting adults. Dawkins address this subject a bit tangentally in The Selfish Gene. The diff on half-siblings vs full-siblings is quite large from a genetic perspective. So there’s room for a few mistakes here.

But I think your key question is this:
“Do we treat them as perpetrators of a disgusting crime …?”

No.

This and the homosexual question that Seth raised are totally managed on a biological level by nature itself. Our sense of revulsion may be part of that nature but I think we can make temper such feelings with our sense about the rights of consenting adults.

]]> By: Jonathan Blake http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6802 Jonathan Blake Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:15:11 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6802 Well, with incestuous relationships this close, there's a good case for the community to forbid having children, but then you open the door to also forbidding couples who are known carriers of genetic disorders. Other than that, a relationship between adults is what we're talking about. Well, with incestuous relationships this close, there’s a good case for the community to forbid having children, but then you open the door to also forbidding couples who are known carriers of genetic disorders. Other than that, a relationship between adults is what we’re talking about.

]]> By: Seth R. http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6801 Seth R. Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:58:40 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2008/02/27/young-lovers/#comment-6801 If you are going to allow homosexual attraction, you really have no strong basis for opposing this kind of thing either. If you are going to allow homosexual attraction, you really have no strong basis for opposing this kind of thing either.

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