Comments on: Standing Out http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/ One Mormon boy’s iconoclastic quest to remix and rectify his notions of truth, mind, myth, love, life, and transcendence. Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:14:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Jonathan Blake http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1715 Jonathan Blake Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:23:47 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1715 :) I was wondering the same thing, but I think I agree with it… somewhat. I feel myself drawn to mysticism, but luckily, mysticism requires no dogma. I don't even need to believe in a God. Most Western mystics do, but not all. I feel myself drawn most strongly to non-theistic strains of Buddhism. :) I was wondering the same thing, but I think I agree with it… somewhat.

I feel myself drawn to mysticism, but luckily, mysticism requires no dogma. I don’t even need to believe in a God. Most Western mystics do, but not all. I feel myself drawn most strongly to non-theistic strains of Buddhism.

]]> By: mel http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1714 mel Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:53:06 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1714 Jonathan, I think <a>the AI spambot</a> may have got a major upgrade. Jonathan, I think the AI spambot may have got a major upgrade.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1713 Anonymous Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:59:13 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1713 I liked the poem an oasis in the desert with a sign saying drink freely, at such even with earned granted permission to stand before God one can only bow in humblest humility..... crying.... Allah be Praised.... God is great........When one is raised in a religious organization part of the early teaching be satan will come to tempt you away ...listen to none but your elders, priest, as high priestess,hence taking new path you will regurgitate the venom placed upon your soul yet in time thoughts understanding be fully under your control not anothers.With western nations for hundreds of years christian religious teaching has been enforced in times under pain of death,if not bowing before self proclaimed masters.You be not alone in freeing self the process happening for many millions you are but early of starting blocks not bronze as silver you go for gold,must add world be full of sharks as wolves in sheeps clothing, hence one must keep one's wits about them,if offered two bottles of holy water for the price of one, be wise enough to question such offer,it maybe, per'aps the free bottle be not genuine holy water. I liked the poem an oasis in the desert with a sign saying drink freely, at such even with earned granted permission to stand before God one can only bow in humblest humility….. crying…. Allah be Praised…. God is great……..When one is raised in a religious organization part of the early teaching be satan will come to tempt you away …listen to none but your elders, priest, as high priestess,hence taking new path you will regurgitate the venom placed upon your soul yet in time thoughts understanding be fully under your control not anothers.With western nations for hundreds of years christian religious teaching has been enforced in times under pain of death,if not bowing before self proclaimed masters.You be not alone in freeing self the process happening for many millions you are but early of starting blocks not bronze as silver you go for gold,must add world be full of sharks as wolves in sheeps clothing, hence one must keep one’s wits about them,if offered two bottles of holy water for the price of one, be wise enough to question such offer,it maybe, per’aps the free bottle be not genuine holy water.

]]> By: Jonathan Blake http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1712 Jonathan Blake Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:39:11 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1712 Anonymous, Your stream of consciousness comment reminded me of <a href="http://pilgrimgirl.blogspot.com/2007/09/into-my-heart.html">a poem by Rumi which Jana reminded me of</a>: <blockquote>I tried to find Him on the Christian cross, but He was not there; I went to the temple of the Hindus and to the old pagodas, but I could not find a trace of Him anywhere. I searched on the mountains and in the valleys, but neither in the heights nor in the depths was I able to find Him. I went to the Kaaba in Mecca, but He was not there either. I questioned the scholars and philosophers, but He was beyond their understanding. I then looked into my heart, and it was there where He dwelled that I saw Him; He was nowhere else to be found. <i>(<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalal_ad-Din_Muhammad_Rumi">Rumi</a>)</i></blockquote> You're right that replacing a religiously theistic frame of mind with a religiously atheistic frame of mind would be a mistake. I try to avoid those excesses and keep my mind free of confining labels. I'm deeply suspicious the motives of anyone presenting themselves as on a higher level than me. I'm not looking for a guru. :) Anonymous,

Your stream of consciousness comment reminded me of a poem by Rumi which Jana reminded me of:

I tried to find Him on the Christian cross, but He was not there;
I went to the temple of the Hindus and to the old pagodas, but I could not find a trace of Him anywhere.
I searched on the mountains and in the valleys, but neither in the heights nor in the depths was I able to find Him.
I went to the Kaaba in Mecca, but He was not there either.
I questioned the scholars and philosophers, but He was beyond their understanding.
I then looked into my heart, and it was there where He dwelled that I saw Him;
He was nowhere else to be found.
(Rumi)

You’re right that replacing a religiously theistic frame of mind with a religiously atheistic frame of mind would be a mistake. I try to avoid those excesses and keep my mind free of confining labels.

I’m deeply suspicious the motives of anyone presenting themselves as on a higher level than me. I’m not looking for a guru. :)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1711 Anonymous Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:14:20 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1711 Meant to respond sooner but having had to consult with the creator on a couple of points,the situation of leaving an religious organization is but development in spiritual enlightenment,tieing god to an religion be if you dont have the religion then you dont have god, brainwashing that one made dependent on religious organization,and there be many many many....That able to free self from such not because god deserted you but god ever closer to you giving such strength. God cannot be contained held as the property of one INDIVIDUAL AS OR ORGANIZATION NO MATTER THEIR CLAIMS........ I should point out that having moved up a rung on the spiritual ladder you may think it get easier NOT SO it be more expected at all levels compassion understanding humility etc etc etc if in wishing being a pure soul then it be the impurities beat out of you,hence if think your escape from a crackpot religious organization having earned your complete freedom then THINK AGAIN...though it true being at increased levels of freedom does have some benifits,no more kneeling in prayer, ON YOUR KNEES BEFORE GOD GONE,having earned the right to stand upright if wishing to converse with god then do so,however keep it sensible,non of this I'm a sinner bullshit if having question then through internet should come the answer.There lots of people out there in the known world whom be at a far more advanced levels than you are, whom willing to share such knowledge as experience,your freedom having earned, access to the most spiritually advanced souls worldwide comes as with your advancement. Regarding ATHEIST be tattooed on forehead as buttocks, the Almighty reveiling sense of humour and pointing out per'aps you having left one band of halfbaked only to join another........ .... ... .. . Meant to respond sooner but having had to consult with the creator on a couple of points,the situation of leaving an religious organization is but development in spiritual enlightenment,tieing god to an religion be if you dont have the religion then you dont have god, brainwashing that one made dependent on religious organization,and there be many many many….That able to free self from such not because god deserted you but god ever closer to you giving such strength. God cannot be contained held as the property of one INDIVIDUAL AS OR ORGANIZATION NO MATTER THEIR CLAIMS…….. I should point out that having moved up a rung on the spiritual ladder you may think it get easier NOT SO it be more expected at all levels compassion understanding humility etc etc etc if in wishing being a pure soul then it be the impurities beat out of you,hence if think your escape from a crackpot religious organization having earned your complete freedom then THINK AGAIN…though it true being at increased levels of freedom does have some benifits,no more kneeling in prayer, ON YOUR KNEES BEFORE GOD GONE,having earned the right to stand upright if wishing to converse with god then do so,however keep it sensible,non of this I’m a sinner bullshit if having question then through internet should come the answer.There lots of people out there in the known world whom be at a far more advanced levels than you are, whom willing to share such knowledge as experience,your freedom having earned, access to the most spiritually advanced souls worldwide comes as with your advancement. Regarding ATHEIST be tattooed on forehead as buttocks, the Almighty reveiling sense of humour and pointing out per’aps you having left one band of halfbaked only to join another…….. …. … .. .

]]> By: Jonathan Blake http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1705 Jonathan Blake Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:36:58 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1705 Thanks, Anonymous. I'm not sure whether you're trolling or just kidding, but you brightened my day. :) Thanks, Anonymous. I’m not sure whether you’re trolling or just kidding, but you brightened my day. :)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1703 Anonymous Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:47:07 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1703 For the truely committed atheist one could Tattoo forehead " ATHEIST * first tattoo a simple transfer,with confidence then an permanent one.Not confident in tattooing of the forehead,then one start with the tattooing of buttocks one buttock reading... I'M A NAUGHTY ATHEIST... while other reads... SPANK ME... ... .... For the truely committed atheist one could Tattoo forehead ” ATHEIST * first tattoo a simple transfer,with confidence then an permanent one.Not confident in tattooing of the forehead,then one start with the tattooing of buttocks one buttock reading… I’M A NAUGHTY ATHEIST… while other reads… SPANK ME… … ….

]]> By: Shirt Stories: Your Shirt, Your Way « Blog.Spreadshirt.com http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1509 Shirt Stories: Your Shirt, Your Way « Blog.Spreadshirt.com Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:25:49 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1509 [...] 28th, 2007 Shop Partner Spotlight , T-shirt Gallery , Blogs To Read I wanted to highlight a blog post that someone else wrote about their Spreadshirt order because it shows off a couple of things about [...] [...] 28th, 2007 Shop Partner Spotlight , T-shirt Gallery , Blogs To Read I wanted to highlight a blog post that someone else wrote about their Spreadshirt order because it shows off a couple of things about [...]

]]> By: Paul Sunstone http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1431 Paul Sunstone Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:34:17 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1431 Nice design! Naturally, someone will eventually accuse you of persecuting Christians by wearing such a shirt. Bill O'Reilly, maybe. Nice design! Naturally, someone will eventually accuse you of persecuting Christians by wearing such a shirt. Bill O’Reilly, maybe.

]]> By: Jonathan Blake http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1430 Jonathan Blake Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:40:54 +0000 http://www.blakeclan.org/jon/greenoasis/2007/08/19/standing-out/#comment-1430 I've made <a href="http://www.spreadshirt.com/shop.php?sid=136469">the design available at spreadshirt.com</a>. I'm not making any commission on it, and somehow I think you're getting it for less than I paid for mine. Weird. I’ve made the design available at spreadshirt.com. I’m not making any commission on it, and somehow I think you’re getting it for less than I paid for mine. Weird.

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